If you’re intelligent at all, you’re aware that the smartest things being said on the internet right now are being said by bloggers under the umberella of the men’s human rights activist, or the men’s movement, or the misogynist anti-social pigdogs, depending on your choice of frame.
You can break this movement down into into three basic camps as follows:
The PickUp Artist (PUA)
The Tradition Conservatives (TradCon)
The Men Going Their Own Way. (MGTOW)
The Pick Up Artist movement is mostly guys who are just trying to get laid, and will workout, dress all sporty, and lie to women to accoplish these goals. This is not me, though I do workout. I will not dress to impress, however. I prefer a t-shirt and jeans and do not have nearly the low body fat percentage of these preening she-men. I don’t lie either. it’s against my karmic code. this is the home of some natural alphas, but mostly beta pretenders. they are pretty friendly to other dudes in the bro-verse. It’s politically diverse.
The Traditional Conservative wing tends to be moralistic and conservative, believes that the sexuality of women needs to be controlled with a strong hand, and tends to be taliban-like in their political views. This is the true home of the alpha Dark Triad traits, and the real natural alphas who are ruthless in their treatment of men, and women alike, believing women shouldn’t be allowed to vote, and whiny betas should be put into New World Order slave camps. Many chicks actually dig these dudes, as they are often whine knighting manginas, perfectly suited to the female imperative, though they believe they are immune from the insidious destructiveness of the female organism, due to their awesomeness.
Then there are the Men Going Their Own Way. They have seen enough of the horrifying spectacle that is woman and have decided to live their lives on their own terms. They don’t pedestalize women as the PUA and TradCons do, and have a sense of self outside of validation on worldly or sexual terms. They may or may not be rich. They may or may not get laid a lot. They may often be spiritual in outlook. Politically, they realize that feminism has gone too far in the psychotic war on men. But they also realize that the TradCon (paleface taliban) policies toward women are anti-individual, and as such, are anti-human.
The bottom line is that there are general differences in the way men and women view the world. And the psychotic in each camp tend to try to enlist the services of the state, and the instruments of logic to make their case. I believe the way of the future lies with the men going their own way. Maybe we will come back. Maybe we will come back if laws in this country are not designed to destroy men. Maybe we will come back if the Central Planner totalitarian TradCons will treat us as human beings instead of collaborating with totalitarian globalists trying to “incentivize us” to bear the undue burden created by the 1%, alpha male, dark triad, attitude of entitlement and hatred. What a nice combination.
This post is dedicated to emmatheemo, my very first follower.
Congrats on the new blog!
Unfortunately, you are right about those traditional conservatives in the manosphere. The worst of them want us to give up our freedoms for civilization. Civilization is great, but it’s kind of like saying “accept our oppression, so you can avoid foreign oppression”. If the former protects us from the latter, does it mean it’s not evil? I don’t think so. A lesser evil, maybe.
I think a lot of the problems they complain about will disappear anyway, if the opposite (feminist) oppression is removed. I don’t believe we have a “too much freedom” problem at all. Someone is paying so someone else can have “freedom”.
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thanks, emma. yeah those tradcon guys are just the worst, possibly more into destroying men that feminists are. theirs is the modern day descendant of might makes right age old ideology of destruction. they are more interested in how to get regular guys to keep doing as their told, much like the radical feminists they claim to be in opposition to.
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Hey man, thanks for liking my post. You’re already in good company if Emma is a follower.
Like what I see so far, we need more equalists who understand the need for individual choice while simultaneously seeing how the world is. Hope to see you around…
-Tarnished
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Hey tarnished… thanks for the warm welcome. Isn’t it sad how everyone seems to have a scorched earth, take no prisoners policy in the gender war these days? of course we all have our fantasies, right or wrong, but seeking to fulfill them through policy and control is sheer madness! Btw you have empowered me through encouraging me to admire my penis more! LOL. You seriously are awesome!
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You’re welcome. It’s always a pleasure to see a logical participant in gender/sex discussions and activism.
I’m quite happy to hear that you have a nice appreciation for your penis…everyone should love their body, whether it’s masculine, feminine, or somewhere in between.
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As you well know, you’ve been banned from my blog. With that in mind, would you allow me to say something about your awful text here?
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Of course. I don’t need censorship to maintain my illusion of correctness. I just don’t say wrong things.
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I am not using censorship to maintain any illusions, I am using it against those who break rules and can’t communicate properly.
Anyway, this text is dreadful and written by an ignorant hack. None of the three groups you mentioned are MRA at all.
It’s as I divided American Indians into Scandinavians, Poles and Greeks. This level of ignorance is not even displayed by many feminists.
In which of these groups do actual MRAs like AVFM fall into? None, as none of them are MRA groups.
Also, regarding your view of so called traditionalist groups. Most of them are just TRP idiots who still stand on the side of seduction.
For example, nobody who knows any history could say anything bad about betas. Betas are necessary for civilization.
Also, they have an imbecilic view of what are alphas. Alphas can never use seduction.
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Of course you use censorship to maintain you illusions.
You’re delusional.
You’re trying to create some totalitarian movment based on villainizing players, who are less harmful to society than crazy people like you who want to control women’s desires through proclaimation, or some other as yet undivulged craziness.
Human society doesnt need you to protect it. All we need is rights protecting all individuals equally. I know you believe individual rights are “liberal tyranny” restricting the freedoms of despots or some other batshit crazy notion.
You have no honor. You ban people for telling you things you don’t want to hear, and then lie and say it’s a “personal attack”.
I won’t censor you however, I like to watch the hamster wheel turn, chuckle, and let you dig your own grave.
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I would call you a tradcon, btw, but slightly askew at that. A voice for men probably has people from all three subdivisions. you would fit in nicely with Vox Day and his group of taliban members.
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What is there to reply? This is a bunch of nonsense. You call me delusional and then show that you don’t even know my views.
How is a coalpha society totalitarian?
How do coalphas control women more than they are controlled now or by some other means?
“Human society doesnt need you to protect it. All we need is rights protecting all individuals equally. I know you believe individual rights are “liberal tyranny” restricting the freedoms of despots or some other batshit crazy notion.”
I never said the first sentence. The second sentence is nonsense – we already have that and the world is a dump. You don’t know the third sentence thing at all, since it’s not what I’m saying – I am all for individual rights but not for a right of women to abuse men via suffrage.
I banned you for the kind of nonsense you did now – attacks with no substance or arguments. That is way, way beyond mere disagreement. It is unfair and demented.
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It’s delusion to believe a group of men can band together to slut-shame women out of their physical preferences, and it’s totalitirian and insane to try to do it.
And you ACT AS IF society needs you to return it to a state of coalpha perfection, even if you didn’t say those exact words. Please lets not do word games.
And we don’t have individual rights all around the globe. We have oppressive feminist overreach in many places, and our rights are diminishing all the time. We here in Amerku understand rights more than you euronazis do. And we love our neckbeards.
Women abusing men via suffrage. <– see you're a nutter. You do not believe in individual rights if you believe women shouldn't vote. the thing about individual rights is they apply to all individuals, that's why totaliarians left right and center hate them.
All you do is attack and deny the meaning of your own words. I'm demented? I don't think so.
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I never said anything about physical preferences. Again, you’re calling me delusional but you don’t even know my actual views. Women don’t care about looks, they care about what July 22 essay says – the most successful grouo of men.
“And you ACT AS IF society needs you to return it to a state of coalpha perfection, even if you didn’t say those exact words. Please lets not do word games.”
I am not playing anything. I said that but this doesn’t mean that what you said above is what I want. You don’t understand coalpha society.
“And we don’t have individual rights all around the globe. We have oppressive feminist overreach in many places, and our rights are diminishing all the time. We here in Amerku understand rights more than you euronazis do. And we love our neckbeards.”
My point was that even the countries with most civil rights are already bound to die, as rights aren’t enough. What good are rights if women are socially pressured to be raped by apes?
As for your “rights” HAHAHHA, you dumbass – I’ve received thousands of calls for me to be arrested from Americans, even though I did no crimes. Your rights are dead and gone. You are the most oppressive police state on Earth.
“ou do not believe in individual rights if you believe women shouldn’t vote. the thing about individual rights is they apply to all individuals, that’s why totaliarians left right and center hate them.”
I don’t believe in rights to abuse somebody. Women’s suffrage is an abuse of men and a disaster that creates people like you, who insult others while not even understanding their views.
“All you do is attack and deny the meaning of your own words. ”
Do you have a single example of this?
“I’m demented? I don’t think so.”
You don’t think. Period.
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Oh, and why women’s suffrage is an abuse http://www.coalpha.org/Against-Women-s-Suffrage-td7575097.html
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That whole forum is full of paranoid delusionals. I checked it out. I invite all of them to come here and “destroy me with logic”.
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They won’t do that. Why don’t you come to that forum? It is 100 percent free speech, you can say what you like.
Is it because you know you’ll just be destroyed?
Also, what are they paranoid about? I can understand that you see their attitudes (which you don’t get) as delusional. But what makes them paranoid ? Nothing. You’re just making shit up.
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I really think you’re a brilliant person, you’re just using your powers for evil. Go your own way man. Ladies will be in your life, then they will be out of your life…. and so it goes. You don’t have to become some kind of apocalyptic revolutionary about it.
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“Ladies will be in your life, then they will be out of your life…. and so it goes.”
How can you even write something this retarded? Even if you just read the July 22 post like you claim you’d see it is a lie.
Women are trucker overlord’s slaves. Since I lack sufficient immorality and stupidity I am not attractive. I might be attractive only if a woman is picking her teeth from the floor after I deal with her like a trucker they worship.
Also, even in this discussion a sane reader could see why any blog not ran by baboons would ban you. You haven’t addressed any of my questions or refutations, You just jump from one insane nonsense to another.
Will you re-write your insane opening posts saying that three non-MRA groups are subgroups of MRAs? Not? See, just that alone is sign enough that you’re insane.
I haven’t read Emma in a while but if she’s following a lunatic like you her standards seem to have dropped a lot…
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Also, what evil am I using my powers for?
To make women longer be holes for trucker apes? To make women no longer abuse those they can’t feel empathy for (men) through suffrage? Such “evil causes” ?
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*no longer be
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Maybe some women LIKE getting banged by a greasy trucker. You’re not more pure than everyone else. You’re not smarter than everyone else. You admire elliot rodgers for fuck sake. You’re just an angry incel. And you have this hyperactive mind trying to devise a reality where you dominate. Stop it, before you hurt somebody.
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You just called me brilliant and now you say I’m not smarter than everyone else. You claim I admire ER when I already told you I don’t.
If I don’t dominate I won’t get a woman. We can see what breeding of truckers and sluts has made.
Look at you. You don’t even know who your father is.
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You are brilliant, I must say, not as brilliant as me. And you have an emotional disorder. And you do kind of admire ER, you said so on your blog. or you believing as him is “not so bad” or something like that. Please stop being a pain in the ass with you littel “exact words” bs,ok Greg Brady?
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I don’t admire him. I think he was spoiled, obsessed with just sex and not wanting a real relationship just like the rest of the slugs and that he was stupid for not even remembering to try abroad. That being said, he is still better than 99.9 percent of the slugs.
“not as brilliant as me”
Ok, you have to be a troll. If any of the commentators here want to ask me something they should go ahead but other than that I hope you enjoy the whatever padded cell you’re writing this from.
And of course women like to be treated violently by truckers. If I ever go on a date again I will completely smash her and she will adore me like her trucker god.
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Could we a get woman’s perspective here? Do any of you women feel you need white knights like thaincelblogger to stop truckers from raping you?
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Of course they’ll say no. As the essay says, women always defend the dominant culture. The worst slut shamers in history weren’t men but other women.
If the dominant culture was to burn all women alive when they turn 20 women would defend it. Women can’t understand morality or reason so they just go after whatever is dominant.
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I’ll even let your link to the forum of dementia stand. I don’t care. I believe in the free exchange of ideas. Oh, and you and your cohorts are the apes. With your deluded notions of beautific betatude.
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What is that anyway? We’re not even betas but coalphas.
Anyway, like I said, women are trucker’s slaves. If you’re not a trucker and want a woman to like you putting her teeth on the edge of the table and pressing her head with your boot is better than “being a gentleman”.
They will do anything, anything so that the truckers could fuck them and in such ways non-truckers can mimic truckers.
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Women can be quite the slut shamers too. I agree. I like to watch women fight. “catfight”
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You said are rights are gone. You can’t very well then turn around and say individual rights have failed, when have never been fully implemented or faithfully maintained. Can you?
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“You said are rights are gone.”
I said that America no longer recognizes human rights, not that all human rights are gone. They did exist and they didn’t stop its decline, just like they didn’t stop a decline or countries which still have some human rights, like Germany.
All of them are declining regardless because of trucker overlords who are allowed to do anything. An act of rape is de facto legal in the West. The only rape that’s being prosecuted in the West are women who didn’t sleep with trucker overlords regretting it or betas/coalphas being so desperate that they have to resort to it.
That rape in terms of a crime is actually something different then what how it is currently defined is another matter but forceful sex today is completely legal for omegas.
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You implied they have failed. they have never been tried properly.
Trucker overlords? All sex is rape? You sound like some Mad Max feminist from the future.
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“You implied they have failed. they have never been tried properly.”
No, I didn’t. You can’t even get things that are said out by me explicitly, don’t try to get into what I implied.
“Trucker overlords? All sex is rape? You sound like some Mad Max feminist from the future.”
Wrooong.
Feminist are exactly the ones who deny trucker overlords with that nice guy ™ crap. I never called myself a nice guy but that thing is designed to make all men “equal”, aka make us believe that decent men are no better than trucker overlords.
I never said that all sex is rape. Three other types of men also get sex. The thing is, trucker overlords get most of it and they don’t care about consent because their brains haven’t been developed enough. Which makes it even more ironic that mainstream society is seemingly so obsessed with consent when it doesn’t even demand it being given to the most successful group on the planet – trucker overlords.
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You blame all society ills on men. Just like feminists do.
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Well, yes, that much is true. You know what else is true? Feminists and me breathe air. In fact, maybe you even breathe air. Does that make all us feminists?
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hey incel. Did you ban me from even reading your blog? Tha’s so lame. here I let you come in my living and pull up chair and let your flab hang out all over and you ban me from even looking at your front porch. Is that your version of of co-alpha? you are not being a good dude bro.
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I didn’t ban you from reading it, I just changed my address. http://caamib.wordpress.com/
You wouldn’t exist in a coalpha society.
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In any society I would be your daddy and spank you every day.
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Still trying to lose your virginity by blogging, neckbeard creepo bear?
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I will get into what you implied and what you said, because you’re an immature little child who tries to backtrack on everything you say.
So is it only when women have sex with men YOU don’t like that is rape? please make it plain, socrates, because you do sound like an “all sex is rape” feminist now.
And you did say on your blog that it was a revelation for you when realized it was all mens fault because women were to weak and feeble minded to do anything on their own, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. Stop being a backtracking feeble-minded child and stand behind your own utterances.
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You’re ridiculous.
You make new accusations you haven’t backed up in your every post without backing up any of the old. I don’t backtrack on anything, I am simply correcting your incorrect interpretations.
I said that only omegas rape because their brains are too small for consent.
And I did admit I blame men for everything. I just laughed at how you think this makes me like feminists when we disagree on everything else.
Men like you, who want “some feminism” are the worst idiots in the world. You want for feminists to stop hating men but you don’t want to end policies that make them do so eventually, like women’s suffrage. But this is not possible. You can’t have it both ways. Either no feminism or totalitarian feminism.
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No. You’re playing the “i didn’t say that” game. it’s annoying and dishonest.
Im a guy who believes all individuals should have the same rights. Now, are you going to be honest about how you don’t believe in individual rights? Because i know you don’t. You said it was somehow actually an infringement of rights, somehow, in your blog. Yes you did. No. I didn’t misinterpret it.
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If you think I’m playing that game show me where I said what you think I did. Quote me.
I believe all individuals should have the same rights but these don’t include the right to abuse and women’s suffrage is an abuse of men since women can’t feel empathy for men.
Regarding the last part – you don’t even know what you’re talking about, so how can I? If I said it show me where. Quote me, pedo neckbeard
Btw this is you https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1535652_10152397776056379_4364476604718973248_n.jpg?oh=8aca7cc2f130ce3f1167e8f93d80e5f9&oe=54A1F998&__gda__=1422526113_2ae895abc7bdb25a9995f237d7a23a20
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Does anyone else see how this caamib guy is like the worst tradcon white-knighting mangina ever who borders on feminazi?
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I still have hope, caamib, that I can pull you back from the abyss of insanity. It’s just what I do. I slap sense into crazy people.
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Seems to me you’re trying to slap crazy into sane people.
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women’s suffrage makes women hate men. Ok. Let’s just all think about that for a second, then laugh out loud.
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Yes, it does. It is a part of feminism and feminism always leads to women finally hating all men. They’re even bitter at the trucker overlords when they dump they for some other slut after these sluts turn 30 and leave them as single mothers.
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I don’t think you’re correct. Besides, let them hate. We all go through hate-filled times. Like I hate it when I cant find my chapstick.
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“We all go through hate-filled times”
Feminists don’t go through these. They hate all the time, more and more.
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Well, im gonna go sit on the porch and have a beer. be back in bit. Feel free to keep fouling up the joint with your silly talk. LOl.
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Still filming little girls in the park, pedo creepo bear?
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look, man, bitches gonna hate. If they vote, if they don’t vote. Whatever. Might well just give them accountability like everyone else. I personally don’t vote because democracy is a sham.
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dude, bro, man, skin-cheeks, you don’t believe in individual rights if you don’t believe they should be held by all individuals equally. Quit torturing logic and language.
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Fuck you, China….. ok… that was funny.
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@PL
If people were serious about wanting a “female perspective” I could give it a try. I am female-bodied at least, even if I have gender dysphoria…
@ThatIncel
For what it’s worth, from one human being to another, I’m glad you are still around. A commenter of mine had mentioned you seemed to have “closed” your blog? I did read the manifesto post you linked to me before. I even had most of a response typed up, but then I reconsidered posting it. Last time I commented over at your place, KC began following me and though I did not ban him our differences in opinion began wrecking havoc on my emotional state so we parted ways. If someone like Franklin started following me…Well, I don’t really want to think about it. I may agree that a good percentage of Western women don’t treat men right and this definitely needs to change, but the screeds that are written over at the Coalpha blog literally make me sick to my stomach. I respect myself too much to subject myself to people like that, even if I wouldn’t want them to come under attack by “thought police”. I hope that despite our obvious ideological differences you can empathize with my stance as I try to with your own.
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Well, thank you for some civility and sanity compared to this tool but all of this is very sad, really.
It is absurd to think that you can support some feminist ideas and still try to understand incel(s). The moment you get the tiniest bit of feminism you assure decent men to be incel and monsters like populist breeding. You simply can’t have it both ways.
Anyway, what disgusts you about CoAlpha? We just want to restore sanity and make women more respected than they are now, not less. But they would first become more respectable.
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You are welcome, ThatIncel/caamib. I do endeavor to create discussion if it’s possible and everyone involved can remain calm.
I suppose I support feminism in your viewpoint since I’m an egalitarian? I also support men’s rights, including the MGTOW lifestyle choice. So where does that put me in the greater picture? I do not want men or women to be unhappy. I do not hate incels and/or virgins, though I do wish they didn’t exist by way of them finding mates who make them happy and whom they return the happiness. However, I also do not believe I should be in a position (however hypothetical) to lose my individual rights simply because my parents’ DNA combined to make me female. I’ve no control over having two X chromosomes, just as I’ve no control over having blue eyes, blonde hair, or being 5’6″. I cannot agree with a government who would deny a sentient, intelligent, law abiding, adult citizen rights (for example, suffrage) for something that is not within their power to change…nor should they have to.
Being born with a clitoris rather than a penis doesn’t make one less empathetic, or dumber, or less self-aware. Moving through a culture that spoils you in some ways while degrading you in others creates a senseless cacophony of entitlement, an external locus of identity, a constant need for validation, low self-esteem, and perpetual feelings of victimhood. *This* is what needs to be altered. Men and women need to be taught responsibility, commitment to promises, pride in oneself and ones achievements, and a healthy respect for one another as fellow human beings.
If you are agreeable to it, I could discuss your most recent post in regards to what I find inconsistent?
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Tarnished, all I can say to most of what you say here is that it is extremely sad.
I believe you do support incels but you also support policies that make them incel, like woman’s suffrage, because you think those things you mentioned are enough for somebody to vote. They’re not, since women lack empathy for men.
What you’re saying here is akin to me saying during the WW2 that I don’t support Jews being killed but support Germans rounding them up.
All of these things you believe men and women must be taught cannot be taught in any “egalitarian” society for this society doesn’t exist nor can it. It could exist if men and women were the same.
Anyway, please discuss what you find inconsistent in my last post.
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hey tarnished! Thanks for chiming in.
I guess we were wanting female input on if you wanted people like that incel to save you from being raped by greasy truckers, even if you consented to it.
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Well, if it was rape, I would by definition not have consented anyway…but yes, I’d want someone to help get rid of my attacker if they saw what was happening. I would do the same for any other man or woman who was being harmed, so I like to believe people would help me.
I am going to be driving now, but perhaps these two posts would help clarify my positions:
https://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/2013/08/25/a-bit-of-beliefs/
http://tarnishedsophia.wordpress.com/2013/12/28/what-i-love-about-my-lover/
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The whole consent issue is the crux of this absurd proposition. Im not totally clear on it, but thatincel believes that either you are unable to give consent because you’re too abused by greasy truckers, or that greasy truckers are too stupid to ask for consent. either way, he has a thing against women, greasy trucker or both. Their congress is always unholy in his book.
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Greasy Trucker Overlords and the women who love them. next on springer.
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I actually think we’re dealing with The Islamic State in Croatia (ISIC) with these goons. I think they would happily behead either of us to further their agenda.
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populist- why would a Southeastern European democracy have this? See what a clown you are? Anyway, this is highly ironic, since you support feminist mass murder.
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Well Iraq was a democracy too, but Isil fomed there. there are pockets of many european cities where the cops won’t go because the muslamics have taken over.
And re: violence, you’re the one who said I wouldn’t exist in the coalpha society of your dreams. You’re actually the big wrong meanie here.
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“Iraq was a democracy too”
Is there any point in reading further on after you see a comparison like this?
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Is there? Nobodyy’s making you read.
but you’re obsessed with me because I’m making you look foolish.
And you definitely are the one implying acts of violence when you say I wouldn’t exist in your society.
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Look fool, americans MRA’s will never join your american Jihad. we can handle our ladies without your fear based cruelty and delusions.
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